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Adrentacar and Spantel

Fri, 21 March 2003 16:50

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This is the initial message about a Spanish broker
selling shares in among others Adrentacar (now bought
by European Day Spa Holding Company, Inc. (EDHC)
(http://www.eudy.biz)) and Spantel (SPAL)

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Sat, 22 March 2003 04:46

Guts
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Thanks Dag for providing this new forum.

IF IT IS OK for you and Georges I�d like to suggest an easy way to create another section with limited access to protect us from the �prying eyes� as Georges put it.

SUGGESTION follows:
Bone fide investors willing to get access and having already completed Georges�s verification process...

Step 1
Register here

Step 2
Email Georges providing him your Fraudforum registration information and previous identification details which are known to you and Georges only

Step 3
Georges sends a private message to Fraudforum administrator to confirm applicants Bona Fides

Step 4
Administrator grants access to the closed section

Is this ok? Dag and Georges? Does someone have a better idea in how to proceed?

I really do believe that a private section would allow us to exchange information and maybe co-operate more intensively. The recent proceedings in dubious www.southwestci.com case at Goldhaven were promising.

Guts

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Sat, 22 March 2003 09:00

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Hi and welcome,

your suggestion sounds good.

There is also a possibility to add a general password
for the closed section and Georges would send that to
the "applicant". The problem with this is of course that
the password can "get out" some??
Doesn't take but one rotten egg for that...

I have seen a lot of people visiting already without
registering. Thought some minutes about allowing
Anonymous postings, but then decided that for the moment
this forum will not do that. You can always alias yourself not
to give away your true identity
and as the registration doesn't cost you anything you should be
"man" enough to stand behind your words if there ever will be any
VERY good reason to give out the names.
I assure you that without a courtorder the member list will not be
given to anyone.

If you have other thoughts on this and doesn't want to post here,
just drop me an email dag@newtech.fi

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Sat, 22 March 2003 11:31

Guts
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In my opinion we should consider allowing anonymous postings to the open section. At least if and when we get the restricted section running.

Hospitality would give the right signal to investors not having made up they minds yet.

Besides many of the most entertaining characters at Goldhaven (Huey Chop Stick, Vladimir, etc.) would almost certainly stay out if they weren�t allowed to post anonymous. That would be boring. Razz

Guts

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Tue, 25 March 2003 14:00

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Well,

thinking about the entertaining part I (as you can see) created a new section, which is supposed to be the "entry" section where you can ask about new companies. Then if/when the interest grows towards some specific company I will move the discussion into the Companies part.
On that one I think we should keep the discussion on the point, perhaps missing out a bit on the entertainment, and thus I think this should require registration.

And I still want to stress that you don't have to show that much to the world, just check the right checkboxes on the registration form.

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Wed, 21 May 2003 03:37

snah
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is there any action here at all?

snah Crying or Very Sad

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Wed, 21 May 2003 08:03

latinophil
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please read my profile and check out link to goldhaven where my story is......thank you......i am here to help

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Tue, 17 June 2003 11:14

snah
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As said on other topics: Goldhaven is dead. Are we reviving the thread though Fraud Forum?

Hope so, but does not look like it....

Regs,

snah

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Fri, 18 July 2003 05:38

Casey4
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Hello forum,
Summer is on in great measures! and everything appears quiet pertaining to ADRC and SPAL?
Looking around a bit on the web I find that the Italian exchange has posted warnings against "Amtrade International Partners Inc. -with registered office in New York and Clearing Services, with registered office in Malaga, Spain, are offering to buy securities previously sold by Goodman Hart Associates and Morgan Paris with registered offices in Spain, without the required authorization."
http://www.consob.it/eng_index.htm
This is an 'old' warning from June 11 that originated with the Belgian Banking commission.
I would sure like to know what the personal connections are between the principals of these named companies!
The interresting part might be that Clearing Services apparently are still at it - scamming on a possible 'buy-back' scam? and I thought they were dead and gone! Can vi attract some more attention to this forum - also from the old 'gang' at GoldHaven - that might be closer to the action down there in Spain than I am - I think it would be a good thing!
Has anybody had the great foresight to have made a copy of all the pages from the Forum at GoldHaven? if so let me know and perhaps we could establish them on a new server that we could link to as a reference!
Happy holidays Casey4

Casey4

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Sun, 20 July 2003 14:24

snah
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Casey!

I could not agree with you more. But.... I am affraid I also tried to interest other users of Goldhaven in this new forum. I don't see anyone interested, but you? Nicolaidis disappeared....
I would really like to have the Goldhaven pages but I am not prepared to pay anything. are you? You know anyone who would?

Regards,

snah

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Mon, 21 July 2003 05:04

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Yea - it is frusterating that there isn't any more 'action' on the forum - I think it will come however, but there is quite a delay in people finding the site and getting used to the site. What we need is the (in)famous client list from Clearing Services - then we could inform all investors where to look!?
There is an item snah, that you could check out over there in NL - you will remember that there were 2 (or more) 'salespersons' from NL that Morgan Paris drug through the courts for 'Skimming' off of their own Scam. Apparently they were convicted and funds were frozen etc. This was monies that Clearing Services should have handled - thus my suspision is that during the court hearings certain principal names of officers in both Morgan Paris and CS must have been made public through the court documents or the newspapers!? If you have the time and interrest I think it beneficial if you could go back to February and make a search in the Amsterdam newspapers for MP CS GH etc and see if anything pops up? and if it does then contact the reporter and entice them to do a follow-upp on the story. Also search the court records for the same names and learn as much as possible. The press is hungry for any kind of news during the 'boring' summer weeks!
Stay happy snah and the rest of you.

Casey4

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Tue, 22 July 2003 10:46

Guts
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Casey,
On 24th of May I received the following email from GPN:

[quote]
This is just to inform you that a new forum for duscussing the above and exchanging ideas is located at:

www.newtech.fi/fraudforum/

I would suggest all bona fide scam shareholder-victims regularly visit this site where I will be posting some, hopefully, interesting info during the next couple of weeks.

Kind regards,

George
[quote]

...I got the impression that Georges sent this mail to all ADRC & Spantel investors known to him (recipient list supressed). It did not obviously atract too many of us to join the FraudForum. I hate to be pessimistic but I doubt there might not be significant progress very soon. Hope I�m wrong!

Guts Confused

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Wed, 30 July 2003 16:50

hofmann66
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Now it happend! EDHC shares fell over 96% to 20 cents! It is definitely a crime. I really hope, that Nicolaidis will be successful with his effort to bring these people to court...

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Sun, 25 January 2004 17:28

AH
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Hi !
Can someone tell me what is going on
with Adrentacar EDHC ?

A.H.

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EDHC buy offer

Fri, 09 July 2004 09:01

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Hi

Just got contacted by a Mike Smith from a broker called Tri-Pacific something.
He offered to buy my EDHC stock for $3.50, but only if I used that money as part of the sum for buying the equivalent number of shares in a company called Equitable Life Investment Company Inc. (EQLFF). The price for these are at the moment $7.25.
I just told him that I am not sending any more money to coldcalling brokers....

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Re: EDHC buy offer

Tue, 20 July 2004 09:33

Casey4
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Read further on the protected forum - for fear of loosing whatever 'information edge'we might have? Rolling Eyes

Casey4

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Fri, 23 July 2004 09:41

AH
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Hi,
I just got a phonecall from Mr.Bill Berry at Alton Asset Management in New York. www.altonasset.com Do anyone know something about this company.? He want to buy my shares in EDHC for his client.He also want the certificate number/Registration code so he can cross-check my holdings with the relevant Federal bodies.Do I take any risk if I give him this kind of information?
Thank you,

Best Regards

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A.H.

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Sat, 21 August 2004 03:39

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Adrentacar seems to have a new Web-site.
http://www.adrentacar.org .
I wonder how they got a .org webaddress as these are supposed to be reserved for non-profit organizations...

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EDHC in default

Thu, 26 August 2004 09:58

Johnny
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Look at this page and search for european diversified holding co:
http://sos.state.nv.us

EDHC is in default with the State of Nevada.

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Offers on EDHC

Fri, 10 December 2004 12:44

Casey4
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Hello quiet forum!

I just wanted to inform you that a Arnold Baxter has called offering me $ 6.85/each for my EDHC shares!
He called from Canada and gave the usual pep-talk about someone
doing a 'hostile-takeover' of EDHC. So far he just requested a fax-copy of my shares - to prove that they are legit!?
Are they legit? don't even know myselves? - look prety cheap - printed on cheap paper - and are worth nothing on the exchange!! Confused

Anyhow, I faxed off a copy to him and he is to get back to me over the weekend, I am sure there is some catch to this where I have to pay inn additional funds to secure this and that, or invest more money in some other scam they got going!! - for now he hasn't described the 'purchase' in details.
He saied they were looking for 52% of the shares - no more!
Has any one else had similar offers from Canada

Casey4

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Re: Offers on EDHC

Mon, 13 December 2004 13:53

Gregster
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Well, well.
Obviously I am not the only one.
Finally I found someone in same position as I am.
Not that I want you to be there.
I have 9100 shares of EDHC.
I lost 40.000 USD. And I was buying when USD was still strong. So beside that I lost because USD lost value.
Check this site for all the scam alerts.
http://www.investordataexchange.com/investment_ind ex.html

I was contacted by several companies to buy other shares, to sell EDHC, but pay something for protection, bla, bla.
Fortunately I didn't.
But before I realised it is a scam, I bought DATACEPT (5.000 shares) through Mitchel Anderson- Blythe. And also American Card Tehnology (1.000 shares) through Yamaichi Investment.
No one is reacheble now.
So all together I lost 65.000 USD.

I have found this story I will add in attachment (maybe it will help someone else, and they can donate few dollars for us scamed ones):

Attachment: Rogue brokers resurface overseas.doc
(Size: 63.50KB, Downloaded 9195 times)

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Re: Offers on EDHC

Mon, 13 December 2004 14:07

Gregster
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Websites to check for international boiler rooms

http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/fleecing.htm
AUSTRALIA
http://www.asic.gov.au/fido/fido.nsf/byheadline/Co ld+calling?openDocument
or
http://www.asic.gov.au/fido/fido.nsf/byheadline/li st+of+unlicensed+overseas+cold+callers?opendocumen t

HONG KONG
http://www.hksfc.org.hk/eng/investor/html/alert.ht m

or
http://www.hksfc.org.hk/eng/investor/html/unlicens ed_overseas_comp.htm

THAILAND
http://www.sec.or.th/enforce/invalert/boiler.shtml
or
http://www.sec.or.th/enforce/invalert/actionen.sht ml

GREAT BRITAIN
http://www.fsa.gov.uk/enforcement/firm_alerts.html

NEW ZEALAND
http://www.sec-com.govt.nz/invest/overseas_brokers .shtml

SPAIN
(Firm names in English but details in Spanish)
http://www.cnmv.es/english/adverticias/indice_espa nol.htm
http://www.cnmv.es/english/index_e.htm

11/11/2004 3:24:12 PM FRAUDULENT OR UNREGISTERED FIRMS GEOGRAPHICAL DISTRIBUTION
The definition of a �boiler room� is a fraudulent or unregistered firm using high pressure and/or deceptive sales tactics.

As of Sept 11, 2004 VRI has 379 fraudulent or unregistered firms listed on this website. There are listed offices for 233 of them. We have listed them geographically to see if any patterns can be determined.

The geographical distribution can only be roughly estimated due to the following factors.

1) Many firms claims to have multiple offices in different countries.

2) Many firms �switch� their offices from country to country due to regulatory actions and it cannot be determined which office is the home office at any point in time.

3) Some addresses are no longer valid.

4) Some addresses are nothing more than �letter drops�.

5) Some addresses do not even exist where they are supposed to be located. Nonetheless it can be seen that the bulk of fraudulent or unregistered boiler rooms are located in Asia as per the �king of the boiler room� articles quoted on this site.

ASIA - 142
Hong Kong � 68
Thailand � 18
Singapore � 15
Japan � 11
Malaysia/Indonesia � 10
China � 8
Philippines � 5
Australia � 3
Macao � 2
Taiwan � 2

NORTH AMERICA - 50
United States - 41
Canada � 9

EUROPE - 28
United Kingdom - 9
Spain � 5
Switzerland � 5
Europe (various) � 9

SOUTH AMERICA - 13
Central and South America � 10
Caribbean � 3

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Re: Offers on EDHC

Tue, 14 December 2004 05:36

Casey4
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Thanks Gregster,
Lots of good information here, -
Sorry to hear of your demise, they say 'life goes on'!
The group that is offering to buy now is Arthur, Keoshkerian Associates out of Richmond, British Columbia. (Keoshkerian - Kesshoggi - hmm! Sad

)
I am still playing them to see how much information they will divulge - Their banking is - naturally - in Miami Fl. at some Commonwealth Bank LTd (ofshore main office!)
They have sent me 8 pages of Contract Proposal and are asking $750.- for Acquisition Registration Fee, and I am very suspicious!!
Have told them to call back next week and I'll post as things develop.

Casey4

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Re: Offers on EDHC

Tue, 14 December 2004 17:09

Gregster
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I wouldn't hope too much.
But they must be very desperate to only demand 750 USD.

As you said life goes on. And I know I will earn (EARN) that money again someday. But they won't have peacefull sleep. Someday I might run into them. By the way I am 204 cm. I played basketball and practiced 3 times a day. So I am prepared to eat them alive. I will forget the money, but I will NEVER forgive. Revenge is my middle name. I spent quite a lot of time now searching for those guys. I have their real names and I will find them eventually. Maybe on my next summer vacation in Spain. Can't wait. Twisted Evil

Let them rot in hell!!!!!

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Re: Offers on EDHC

Mon, 20 December 2004 10:54

Casey4
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Hi again,
A. Baxter just called and told me that they had filled their quota (52%) of the shares and didn't need my shares after all - this was after I had asked them for a registration-number for their enterprice!!
Something is happening though - EDHC sold 120 000 shares last Thursday - at a shitty price $0.04 and SPAL sold 200 000 shares on Friday at only $0.13. However the volume indicate that someone is wanting to take control over these damnd rascals and at a low price! Wish someone with good innsight and a analytical mind could tell us more? Where is everybody - Hoffman66, Snah, Guts, David or Georgis - anyone, even Dannenberg! Shocked

give us some input!

Casey4

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Re: Offers on EDHC

Mon, 20 December 2004 11:41

Gregster
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it is like this.
If the price is 0,04 USD and there were 200.000 shares sold.
What an enormously rich person bought those???
That guy invested 4.800,00 USD.
I suggest (if you believe there is any future awaiting damn EDHC or AD rent a car) you buy as many shares as possible at that price.
If you bought 10000 shares at 4,5 USD (total of 45.000 USD). As I did.
You buy now 100.000 shares of EDHC at 0,04 USD. This way you cover your loss when the price gets to 0,445 USD. Still far, far away.
If I would do that (but I don't trust the company)I would buy 300.000 shares (total of 12.000 USD). This way I cover my loss at 0,183 USD.
But if you look at the trades you see it's gonna be hard to sell so many shares.

But I agree. If we had better informations.
Fact is this was a scam and I am afraid we lost the money for good. The only thing is to learn from it. The only one that will now "handle" my money is my stock broker. On the long term he is getting more then those fuckers.

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Re: Offers on EDHC

Thu, 27 January 2005 12:32

andrewgor
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You know that Palumbo is Imprisoned in Germany?.

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Re: Offers on EDHC

Fri, 28 January 2005 07:44

Gregster
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I didn't.
Where??

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Re: Palumbo & Carlin

Thu, 17 February 2005 13:02

Casey4
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For those of us who have been watching these guys recent ventures (SpanTel, Ad Rent-a-Car, Goodman Hart and a bank in Austria) you might be interested to know that they were arrested at a Spanish airport (Malaga) on Friday 28.01.05 along with Robert J. Carlin and is currently awaiting extradition.
The story made the local Marbella and Malaga press the same Friday. As is the norm in Spain, they only give the first name and then the initials. Try searching at La Tribuna.
There is reportedly, an article from the 1/28 Diaro Malaga that confirms the report that Palumbo (identified as Frank Louis P.) and Carlin (identified as Robert James C.) were detained, along with a British citizen Donovan J. A. The story says their boiler room activities took in $93.2 million euros between 2002 and 2004.
We are now just wanting to see Andre Jerome and Kasshoggi also nabbed and imprisoned.

Casey4

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Tue, 20 September 2005 17:06

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I also got a letter from the Finnish Police asking if I want to press charges against the guys imprisoned in Germany, and boy do I !
Called the police and offered to help whith whatever I can.
There seems to be about 200 Finnish citizen involved in this and several thousend with other nationalities. Anyway it seems like they have a pretty good case against these crooks.

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Wed, 21 September 2005 12:36

Gregster
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Could you please give me contact number and name of Police.
I would also like to help to nail them.

Thanx.

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Thu, 29 September 2005 14:27

datto
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Hello guys,

Will it be possible to send me the info as well, I'm one of the many victims of adrentacar and EDHC.
Should you need any information to confirm this I'm at you disposal. Thank you!

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Contact info to Finnish police

Thu, 29 September 2005 16:01

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To all that asked for contact info to the Finnish police:

I talked to the main investigator there and they are by these letters just answering a request from the German police if there is a Finnish interest in this matter.
The letter I got was asking the question: Do I want to press charges?
As I understand this is intended for Finnish citizens only, but I guess it will not hurt to publisize the info here:

Investigation director:
Tapio M�kinen
email:tapio.m�kinen@krp.poliisi.fi

Main investigator:
Kimmo Halme
phone: +358 9 8388 6666
email:kimmo.halme@krp.poliisi.fi

Assistant investigator:
Hannu Kotala
+358 9 8388 6579
email:hannu.kotala@krp.poliisi.fi

I very strongly suggest that all Finnish parts should contact one os these guys.
Especially the Finnish man trying to sell me more of the shares July 12,2002, around noon and July 16, 2002 14:01.
I have good notes on this and your name is also there, if you read this better talk to the police before they contact you.

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Re: Contact info to Finnish police

Thu, 13 October 2005 18:05

Casey4
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Would the Finish police give us the contact details to the German police holding the culprits? I was thinking that us other non-Finish parties could contact the German police directly. Has it been confirmed that it indeed is Palumbo and Carling dining on 'bread and water'? where in Germany?
I had reports that they were nabbed at Malaga but have no information that they had been extradited to Germany. Does anyone know if Nicolidis is still working these matters?

Casey4

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Re: Contact info to Finnish police

Fri, 14 October 2005 00:52

Gregster
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Does anyone know what happened to the EDHC stock on the Nasdaq?
It dissapeared from the list.

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Re: EDHC

Fri, 14 October 2005 04:10

Casey4
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European Div. Holding are not on NASDAQ any more - they were automatically dropped 01.09.2005 as there were no trades! You can find them on the 'penny-exchange' under EDHC.PK but no movement to even generate a chart. They are gone and will be gone unless there is a miracle in waiting!?

Casey4

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Re: EDHC

Fri, 14 October 2005 05:22

Gregster
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Do you know if it's possible to sell them and how?
I would like to sell them to my company.
I have lost money, but this way at least I won't pay tax on income.
Can I?

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Attention: Casey 4 Re: Swiss Equit

Fri, 14 October 2005 11:47

brucy5
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Swiss Equity Trust AG from Switzerland have contacted me way back in 2002 in connection with Ergolabs inc. After many phone calls they managed to convince me to acquire shares in this company. Then in 2003 I received a letter informing me that Ergolabs inc. has been acquired by Trimfast Group (Pink Sheets stock symbol: TFTG). According to the said letter the shares were resticted for trading for 1 year. I have contacted SET several times but never got a reply. Trimfast looks like a shell company with basically nothing in it. After accessing its SEC filings in www.pinklsheets.com , ergolabs is never mentioned as an acquisition of Trimfast group. From the accounts filed, Trimfast is basically a worthless company.

I have reasons to believe that Swiss Equity Trust SA is somewhat related to Trans-National Equity & Trust SA also based in Switzerland who apparently is undergoing a criminal investigation.

Anyone who has some information, please come forward and discuss the matter more in detail. Let's not leave these fraudsters get away with this one!!!!

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Tue, 31 October 2006 07:39

scamwammer
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Is there anyone here who bought shares in Adrentacar/EDHC from Raymond Lloyd and Associates and in particular from someone called Howard Kas?

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Re: Adrentacar and Spantel

Thu, 02 November 2006 01:58

Gregster
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I have bought them from a man called Howard Kas.
I also had been in contacts with other people.
I am still now "paying" for my mistake.
If someone knows where we could contact somebody who can find them and punish them. I am in.
I don't care how they punish them (legally or illegaly).
If I cross upon them, they are dead.
Well they are dead already, they just don't know it yet.

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