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TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD FINA Tue, 15 March 2005 16:39 Go to next message
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Two years ago , I was approached by this company called Turner Matheson .
(at that time the website was all nice and impressive) .

They said that they were a Canadian Based Security House and had a branch office in Macau and they got my name from the Chamber of Commerce .

As ignorant as I was , I was coaxed into signing up with them and invested on three companies ; one at a time .

As weeks past , different guys would call me and introduced themselves as the person who would be in charge of my account and the final guy was called John Carter .

About a month after each transection , I would receive a call and was told that the prices of shares I invested was dropping and it would be good to sell and cut lost ...and put the money into another company which they thought was good .

Eventually , I was recommended to put all into Andromeda Media
Capital Corporation Ltd.
(OTCBB:ADMPF.PK ) ; 21,000 shares @ US$5.00/shares .
(until October 2004 , I was able to see the price of ADMPF.PK at US$5/per on Yahoo Finance site...but not anymore - very upsetting news)

Turner Matheson said that this company would be listed and the price of shares would go up . I waited and waited ....

till one day in October , when I suddenly received a letter from Turner Matheson , saying that they could no longer service my account and they recommended New World Financial Inc. They said that New World Financial Inc. would be able to help me in liquidating my Andromeda Shares and other financial services. They also sent me two Green looking certificates, with the name of Andromeda and the no. of my shares written on them .

Although I was shocked , I had no other choice but to contact New World Financial Inc. Spoke a a guy called Harrison , who said that he would be my financial advisor . Forms were sent to me , details were taken . He told me to send my certificates to Huntleigh Securities , to deposit them into my own 'bank' account. (this was in November 2004) .

I told Harrison that New World Financial has to help me in selling my Andromeda Shares , but i was told to wait , as they do not know or have any market for it . They said they will 'TRY' , but no promise .

Meanwhile , Harrison recommended me to inject money into GCI General Components , which the price of the share was at US$1.80.

True , from the webpage of General Component , they look cool and quite convincing , but I told Harrison that I wont have the funds , unless he sold my Andromeda shares .

All went silent for few months and suddenly on Monday (14 March 2005) , a guy called Nick Start called and said that he is the new financial advisor who was handed the job from Harrison , because he was too busy at the moment .

Nick Start sounded cool and spoke very fluently and professionally . He talked to me in a VERY FRIENDLY AND POLITE manner for LONG TIME over international calls (do all financial advisors in this world speak in this manner to individual private clients ? ) [Harrison did the same too - many calls and persistently ]

Nick recommended General Components shares again. He said that the price is now at US$2.25. If i were to invest now , he is able to sell me at US$2/share .

At the same time , he strongly recommended one Australian Company called Advance Medical Institute . He said that this company will be listed on NASDAQ in one or two weeks time . Their listing price will start from US$1.50 / share , but he could sell me at US$1.25/share (without 2% commission)

Now , I have looked into the website of Advance Medical Institute and the 1st impression was ; this website looks to me like one who has just signed up as an affiliated member in a pyramid business , trying to sell a product .

My 1st question to Nick after seeing the site was - 'Where is the company's address and real time contact nos. - Tel & Fax ? '

Both Harrison and Nick said that if there is any money involved , it will be myself sending or depositing into my own 'bank' account at Huntleigh Securities .

I have doubts , but I cant find the real answers to all the questions ; e.g. Are they Real ? Is Huntleigh Security really a Bank too ? Is my Bank Account real ? etc etc .

Except the website of General Components , which looks COOL & CONVINCING , the rest , including New WOrld Financial Inc and Huntleigh Securities look amatuer to me . Even my own accounts which I log in (funny thing is , Harrison and Nick have all my ID names and passwords to access my portfolio ??!? which means there is no security and confidentiality at all ?)

Nick Start gave me his contact as
Nick Start
Foreign Associate
Crd 4887819

Tel: +34 952 860256
Fax: +34 952 772379


I am scared and worried that I start to check on everything I can find on the net . I have even check on Network Solution for WHOIS (domain name) ...and all the registrations seems abit funny ; e.g. date of registrations and etc.

However I am not definite on what I find . How can I be sure that they are ALL real and not frauds ?

How can I check and be sure that I was not conned from the start ?
Confused Crying or Very Sad

If I was conned , what can I do now ? Can I file a report with the police ?

If anyone of you who has the same experience to share or any good advices , please reply and comment.

While surfing the net for informations, I found FORUM (this message board) .
Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Tue, 15 March 2005 17:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
worried
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Just to add to my 1st Message on this board ,

Why do these financial companies who contact their clients mostly by telephones .

All strong recommendations to buy shares at whatever prices are only spoken or told over the phone?
As much as possible , they do not use emails or faxes or
letters on hard copies ?

Is the the common practice by the Financial Institutions now adays ?


Arrrgghh ..cant sleep nor eat.

Some Good Advices are needed .
Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Sun, 20 March 2005 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi and welcome to the forum.

I am sorry to say that it doesn't look good for your investments.
But you are not alone so welcome to the club Sad

This site was set up after I was conned into quite (too) many transactions and finally started looking through the internet, searching for info. I found very little and most of what I found were sites where you had to pay to get access. Thus I decided to set up my own site with free access.

So thanks for the very good and thorough report on this matter. I sure hope it will prevent others from falling in the same trap.

As for you I really advise you to go to the police, even if the chances are very small that you get any money back.
At least there has been some activity lately where some of these crooks has been jailed Twisted Evil

And the reason they always phone is that few people tape their phone conversations. Mail, email and fax can be used as evidence against them. Real stockbrokers use all the modern media to contact you and they also have a real Caller ID (phone number) that can be seen on your phone when they call.
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They New World Financial is still out there calling. Asking for your email, saying it wont work sending faxes, want you to sign a paper for opening an account. Twisted Evil

But doing an nslookup, traceroute and whois gives private email adresses and so forth.

Look real nice but keep off.

When they call ask where they get your phone number and why you are selected. Shocked

/Nehemja Mad
Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Wed, 24 August 2005 10:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just testing. I will come back with more on the real issue here.
Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Wed, 24 August 2005 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is what they state at their home site
http://www.nwfinc.com/
under Privacy:

"We obtain most information directly from customers when they apply for our brokerage services. The information is provided on new account applications or other forms and includes name, address, telephone number, fax number, email address, social security number, birth date, bank reference, family information, financial information, financial goals, and name, address, and telephone number of their employer. We also obtain Information about customers from transactional activity in their accounts, from our own interactions with customers and, with their consent, from other financial institutions if they transfer positions into New World Financial Inc..".

The above is not true. They must have got my telephone number in some other way. I have not had any connections with them or have had any transfers to them by a third part.


Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Thu, 25 August 2005 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hjo
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Why are they contacting you by telephone?
-Of course it is easier to make you their customer that way than by using e-mails (SPAM).
-They can promise more than they are allowed to as NASD registered brokers

Some more:
-The broker might not even be registered by NASD. He can have borrowed a name there.
-He makes you look up the NASD register to “verify” he is there
-They make you look up the organisation’s homesite but that site can be a fake site
-The real firm can have another domain name
-The fact that the broker get one of your e-mails is no proof that the domain is the real firm’s
-They often have “hidden” fees (they tell you about them later)
-They would only open an account if I put 50.000 SKR (about 6.500 USD) there
-They talk about that you can never lose more than 20% and talks about insurance but they do not mention that this insurance does not cover if the broker makes a poor affair. The insurance is worth something if the firm goes bankrupt.
-They tell you that they work in a Mediterranean country because of the time zones but that is not the only reason (if it is a reason at all). What they do is harder to trace there from USA and especially if they work towards a third country like Finland.

For a more general warning have a look at NASD:s site www.nasd.com. See their first subject (on the left) “Investor Alerts - Avoid Scams and Problems”. At the page you can also have a look at “Notices to members”. At the end of every month there is “Disciplinary and Other NASD Actions”. On the whole it is frightening information. Shocked

I am supposed not tell what I have learned about New World Financial or any financial company but you can do your own investigation. First find “NASD BrokerCheck - Check your Broker's Professional Background” (on the left) and then find the company and its CRD. Then you can order “disciplinary information”. You get the information by e-mail.

I suggest that nobody who is like me, i.e. is an economically relatively naïve person, shall use a broker in another country. If you want a broker get one in your own country.

If you have been scammed you can go to your local police and - if there is a connection to internet - go to http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp
and complain but I do not know if it is worth it. Maybe it is if you have been robbed a big sum. I have made some complaints during the years but the only result I have seen is a copy of my complaint!
Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Thu, 25 August 2005 09:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The address to NASD is not standing out in my message. Here it is http://www.nasd.com/
Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Thu, 25 August 2005 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What "worried" came across is called "microcap fraud". See http://www.nasaa.org/Investor_Education/Investor_A lerts___Tips/296.cfm
Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Fri, 26 August 2005 16:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This is what I got in my e-mail today:
"A $1,000 dollar investment could yield a $5,000 dollar profit in just ONE trade if you trade out at the top. XXXX (name replaced by me) should be one of the most profitable stocks to trade this year.

It is only a matter of time before it is released out into
the investment community and they take it to the moon.."

Why should I be one of the first? Why do they not buy it themselves (a relative or a friend) instead? What does it cost per piece? Price: $3.00!

Bluff!

Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Tue, 10 January 2006 08:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have spent one hour looking thru all the Disciplinary action documents on the NASD site. I searhed two different words "Nick" and "New World". No "Nick Start" and no "New World Financial".

hits on other "Nick", one hit on "New World Securities" in New York

"hjo" says:

>I am supposed not tell what I have learned about New World Financial or any financial company but you can do your own investigation

implying he knows something. I wonder what that is? And why cant he tell?

Nick Start has been doing investments for me since spring 2005 and has increased my capital by a factor 1.5. I can log in to my account at Huntleigh Securities and see all transactions and my current position. Of course, it may still be a scam but I would like to hear more tangible facts instead of vague allegations.

TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD FINA Thu, 26 January 2006 06:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hello Readers and all other members & friends reading this Board .

RE: FOLLOW-UP ON MY 1st MESSAGE POSTED ON Wed, 16 March 2005 05:39

I have been searching for an answer and I got to this site
http://www.alexa.com/search?amzn_id=senioricouk&am p;q=Andromeda+Media+Capital&p=TBChrome

Please read the first two reports, especially the FIRST
http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/Enforcement/Proceedings/2 004/soa_20041105_allenj.jsp


I still hate the idea to realised that I have been scammed BIG TIME , by a Financial Institution Called Turner Matheson in Macau (Their URL link is totally inactive now) .
Not only am I still not able to find a way to make a report to any Authorities, I am also not able to find a way to reach Andromeda Media
Capital Corporation Ltd.
for help . Sad


If you had read my first message on 16th March 2005 , you would probably understand that I was directed by Turner Matheson to New Financial Inc.
Without much choice , I created an account and sent them the 2 certificates Turner Matheson sent to me for 21,000 shares of Andromeda Media Capital Corporation . The two certificates were then deposited into Huntleigh Securities and sat there for about a year .

Mid of 2005, I requested Huntleigh to send the two certs.
back to me , advised by an Investment Consultant from Merrill Lynch ; Huntleigh Secirities sent back the two Certificates .

On these two share certificates it was written that they were issued by HERITAGE TRUST COMPANY OF CHARLOTTETOWN, P.E.I , CANADA . ( I am wondering if anyone here knows anything about this company ? )

Also , it will be greatly appreciated , if I could get any good advice(s) from you , after you read the above URL ; as to what I should do next ?
I am not sure if it will make any good , that I make a report to Ontario Securities Commission (OSC) and the police in Canada ?


( Please read this part on what 'Allen and his Salemen did' --> 22. In addition to Andromeda’s common shares, securities of one or more of the following corporations were sold to investors by the respondents: Oxford Software Developers Inc., Oxford Investments Holdings Inc., Alliance Explorations Ltd., and Instadial Technologies Corp.


For those of you out there , if you are approached by the Invesment Salesmen on any of the above mentioned Companies
or are asked to invest on shares of companies prior to Listing on NASDAQ etc - PLEASE !! DO NOT EVEN LISTEN OR TRY , or you will end up like me - scammed big time .



Will be coming back here to search for good advice.


















Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Thu, 26 January 2006 07:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
worried
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Hello 'Ingvare' ,

When I start to think about my money of US$105,000, my heart bleeds . No one is able to understand how painful this can be unless you are in my shoes now . (Though I still hate to believe that I have totally lost this amount to scammers . I am still praying hard that God will lead someone to help me out and send me back my hard-earned money )

It is good to know that Nick Start has increased your capital by a factor of 1.5 .

I have nothing against Nick Start and your investment.

Try to sell and ask for a return of your CASH once you feel you are profitting enough .

Come back here and tell us all about it , if you had your TANGIBLE CASH safely back in your OWN bank account .


Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Fri, 27 January 2006 04:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hello worried,

I do understand that having $105000 invested and no real track of it must feel horrible. That is a lot of money! The way Nick explained it to me is that New World Financial took over after Turner Matheson and is trying to do the best of the situation.
I do have a personal account with Huntleigh Securities and get my monthly statements from them showing Cash, Equities and Mutual Funds. Of course, nothing is sure, the stock I have can go the wrong way and the fund too but I believe in both so I feel comfortable.

Ingvar
Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Thu, 23 March 2006 19:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Exactly the same happened to me but I don't have such a lot of money involved. The latest thing is that I was approached by Nakamoto International Group in Japan to purchase my shares at a price of $19.25 per share and they claim that a forwar 4way split was done giving me 4000 shares in Adromedia. Totoal value now is $77000 but these shares are restricted and I need to have the rstriction liftes at a cost of $0.85 per share. Doing some research I founf the following on the web:

Subject: Nakamoto international group Wakamatsu Bldg. 3-3-6 Nibonbashi Hon-cho Tokyo 103-
Category: Business and Money
Asked by: jmarkj-ga
List Price: $50.00 Posted: 08 Feb 2006 07:01 PST
Expires: 10 Mar 2006 07:01 PST
Question ID: 443089


are these people for real. They want $2100 up front to release
restriction fee in Animal Inc.15849 N 71st Street Scottsdale AZ 85254
so that they can buy my 600 shares for $85,500.00 .... I bought 500
shares through a breakthrough Inc. CA91361 two years ago in Animal
Inc. Nakamoto have come at me by phone asking me to pay $2100 to them
to releace the shares so that a US buyer can use them as a tax loss ?


Request for Question Clarification by scriptor-ga on 08 Feb 2006 09:17 PST
Dear jmarkj,

After doing some research, I have reason to suspect a scam. Have they
provided you additional information, like a website address, e-mail,
telephone number or anything else?

Scriptor

Answer Subject: Re: Nakamoto international group Wakamatsu Bldg. 3-3-6 Nibonbashi Hon-cho Tokyo 103- Answered By: scriptor-ga on 08 Feb 2006 11:07 PST Dear jmarkj,

I have done more research, and even without additional details about
who the callers claimed to be, I can say for sure that they are
fraudsters.

What they are trying to do is one of the many variations of "Advance
Fee Scams". This particular variant is rather common; it is also known
as the "Cold Call" scam method. The basic principle of those scams is
always the same: A share owner gets a call out of the blue - a
so-called "cold call" - by an alleged company and is asked to sell his
shares at a tempting price. Then, the caller claims that a refundable
advance fee must be paid by the seller to remove the "restrictions"
from the shares. This advance fee is known under various names,
"restriction fee" being only one of them.

Such offers are always scams. In the United States, there are no
restrictions on selling private stock, and therefore there are no
"restriction fees" that need to be paid in advance. Once a such fee is
paid, the money is lost for the scammed stock owner; and of course, no
one will buy the shares. Interest in those shares is only simulated to
make the stockowner pay the advance fee. This kind of scam exists in
numerous variants.

Please note what the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission says
about such frauds:
"Advance Payment Requests — Regardless of how the fraudsters pitch
their offers to “help”, there’s always a catch. Before they will
complete the deal, they first will ask for an upfront “security
deposit” or “margin payment” — or claim that you must post an
“insurance” or “performance bond.” The minute you pay the advance fee,
the fraudsters nearly always disappear — leaving you with new losses.
If you seem willing to make further payments, the con artists may
instead keep asking for more — falsely claiming that the market price
of the security has changed or that the payments will cover additional
fees, taxes, bonds for the courier service, or other similar expenses.
Only when you finally run out of patience or money to chase your
losses do the fraudsters disappear for good."
http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/worthless.htm

You might also be interested in what the National Association of
Securities Dealers (NASD) writes about this and similar frauds:
http://www.nasd.com/web/idcplg?IdcService=SS_GET_P AGE&nodeId=1357

By the way, I also checked the Tokyo address. While Wakamatsu Building
indeed exists, it is managed by a company that provides "virtual
offices" (Scammers often use such virtual offices that are actually
nothing but mailboxes as so-called "boiler rooms"). It is not the
physical location of that company, and I doubt that "Nakamoto
Internarional Group" even exists, for the following reasons:

- There are absolutely no traces of this company anywhere on the Web,
which is already highly suspicious. There is a real Japanese company
of a similar name (Nakamoto International Accounting Firm), but they
are accountants, and they are located at a completely different
address.

- "Nakamoto International Group" is not listed anywhere in the List of
Licensed Financial Institutions maintained by the Japanese
Government's Financial Service Agency

Therefore, there can be no doubt that they tried to scam you. I advise
to not do any business with them.


Re: TURNER MATHESON AND NEW WORLD Tue, 26 September 2006 10:42 Go to previous message
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ah instadial
i too have tried to get my money back..sseveral times ive tried to email and phone.. its a run around.. no replies on the email
what to do..
go visit?
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